everyone. Firstly, I want to thank Gary for inviting me to speak
here, and thank all of you for being open to the different
perspective I'm hoping to present to you.
of you--maybe all of you--might be asking yourselves, what on earth
is an anti-feminist gender theorist doing speaking at a libertarian
party convention. What the heck does gender, or feminism, have to do
with libertarian politics and philosophies? The answer to that
question is at once extremely complex, and very, very simple.
simple answer is this: Gender influences everything. Including the
size, scope and decisions of government.
now, to complicate things a little.
the microscale, gender affects the way men and women think, how they
feel, how they process their interactions with the world, what
motivates them, what influences them, what is important to them, what
incentives are going to affect their behavior, and how. It affects
how we perceive other people depending on whether they are male or
female. It impacts on what we feel is appropriate, regarding both the
behaviors, responsibilities and roles we expect of others, and the
behaviors, responsibilities and roles we feel are appropriate for
ourselves. It affects what roles and vocations, on average, a given
person will find themselves suited to or interested in.
the macroscale, gender affects the way society feels about people,
depending on whether they're male or female, what expectations
society has of them, what obligations society is prepared to place on
them, how, and how much, society cares about them. It influences
whose voices society is prepared to trust on what issues and in what
situations. It affects society's willingness to punish or forgive,
who society is interested in holding responsible and accountable for
wrongs done, who society is prepared to devote resources to help or
protect, and who society is prepared to cut loose.
gender is kind of a shortcut societies and governments use when
sorting priorities. Who is deserving of our help, support and
protection--socially, legally and governmentally--and who is less
deserving, or perhaps not deserving at all? How should that help be
implemented, and how should it not, how much are we willing to spend,
and how much institutional power and scope should government have to
involve itself in the lives of citizens?
demonstrate these effects of gender I'm talking about, I'm going to
make a few statements, and I want you all to pay attention to how you
feel when I say them. They're statements I've culled from published
books, newspapers, or the speeches of politicians, though you'll
notice I've flipped the genders for effect:
can do anything women can. And do it better. And do it with one hand
tied behind their backs. --Barack Obama
a woman strikes a man, she strikes all of society. --Hillary Clinton
said exactly that about violence against women.
CAN stop false allegations of abuse and rape. --The "Men can
stop rape" poster campaign is making an appearance on campuses
across the US and Canada.
cannot be assumed that women are bound to be an asset to family life,
or that the presence of mothers in families is necessarily a means to
social cohesion. --This gem, about how unnecessary fathers are, is
from UK equalities minister Harriet Harman. She might be forgiven
this sentiment if it wasn't grossly inaccurate.
A mall roof caved in yesterday, killing 23 people and injuring more
than 100. Tragically 4 men and one child were among the dead. --all
right, that's from any newspaper story about any tragedy. We hear
about women and children because that makes a tragedy more tragic.
want to see a woman beaten to a bloody pulp with a workboot shoved
into her mouth like an apple in the mouth of a pig. --Change woman to
man and workboot to high heel, and you've got second wave feminist
Andrea Dworkin's attitude.
even this: "It
is an amazing thing to see in our city the husband of a laundress, or
a fishwife, or a housemaid dressed in velvet with chains of gold at
the throat, with silver buckles and boots of good value....and then
in contrast to see his wife washing the clothes, chapped and
bedraggled from the day's labor, poorly dressed.... but whosoever
considers this carefully will find it reasonable, because it is
necessary that the gentleman, even if low born and humble, be arrayed
in such fine form for his natural excellence and dignity, and the
woman be less adorned as if a slave, or a little ass, born to his
service." --And this is perhaps the most interesting of all,
since a gender-flipped version of it was written by Lucrezia
Marinella, and published in her book "The nobility and
excellence of woman and the defects and vices of men" in the
kind of weird, doesn't it? These are statements you would NEVER hear
or read in mainstream culture as I changed them--not even in the year
1600--some of them because they'd be repulsive to us, and others
because it would just never occur to us to think or feel in those
ways. All because of the way we as humans perceive, and have always
perceived, men and women.
while feminism claims to have worked very hard to dismantle all of
these individual and society-wide assumptions about men and women, if
you scratch the surface of their ideologies and their efforts, what
you find is all of those assumptions human societies have always
held, dialled up to 11. Not only has feminist activism manipulated
and exploited all of these age-old perceptions about gender, for
political, legal, economic and social gain, it has only amplified
them in the cultural zeitgeist.
is very much a case of, "Say hello to the new boss, even more
sexist than the old boss."
been asked before to describe what exactly I'm doing with my blogging
and video lectures and it's a difficult question to answer. I'm an
advocate for the issues of men and boys, certainly, but first and
foremost, I'm an anti-feminist. My task, as I see it, is to try to
uncover the nature of things, and then deprogram as many people as I
can. To encourage people to think from a different angle, to
entertain thoughts that are forbidden in our politically correct
culture, to educate as many as I can about the hidden nature of
society, gender and ideological feminism.
those of us who talk about these issues, it's called "taking the
for why I'm here, hoping to convince libertarians to think from that
different angle? Well, there's a strong libertarian streak that runs
right through the center of the men's movement, and there's
definitely a reason for that.
libertarian philosopher Stefan Molyneux once described feminism as
"socialism in panties."
I'm sure any of the men here will attest to, anything, no matter how
destructive or unprincipled, is probably going to look more appealing
and less sinister if it has a female face and you put it in a pair of
not going to bore you with a detailed history of the marriage of
feminism and marxism. For that, I'll refer any who are interested to
a lengthy but fascinating lecture by Soviet ex-patriot Valdas
Anelauskas, who describes a courtship between two ideologies that
began in the mid-1800s and has now become the foundation of feminist
thought. I will simply note that Karl Marx, in his communist
manifesto, emphasized how very important women would be to any
communist revolution, and that the best way to secure the support of
women would be to convince them of the plural nature of their
oppression--as workers, they were oppressed by the elites, and as
women, they were oppressed by their husbands, fathers and even sons.
In essence, he posited that if a system that respected the concept of
property rights oppressed the male worker, this same system that
placed economic authority in the hands of men doubly oppressed the
wives and daughters of those male workers.
radical feminism has never severed its ties with communism, as early
as the 1920s, feminism had essentially co-opted and repurposed
Marxist theory to describe the structure of society relating to the
interaction of the sexes. The intellectual backlash against feminism
that began within the marxist community around the turn of the 20th
century, with E Belfort Bax and Robert Briffault, was quashed through
intimidation, censorship and skilful use of emotionally charged
the 1960s, when the western world's love affair with communism had
begun to fizzle, communism's red-headed stepdaughter, feminism, was
only growing in popularity. The sexier, less threatening, more
benign-seeming Trojan Mare upon which marxists had relied to sneak
their ideology past the gates of the western world had outgrown its
helpmeet role, and taken on a life of its own.
this era, a discrete and quintessentially Marxist theoretical model
of gender had become entrenched in the intellectual sphere, a model
based on class conflict theory and postmodern discourse. While
communist thought was confined to a small pocket of what the
mainstream mostly thought of as misguided weirdos, feminist thought,
slapped together from the exact same bricks and mortar, became not
only fashionable, but had spawned its own branch of academia,
sponsored and enabled by unwitting democratic governments across the
historical views on the sexes had maintained that men and women were
distinctly different but complementary partners--role mates, as Dr
Warren Farrell has described it--this new feminist model cast all
aspects of society as oppressive and exploitive systems wherein men
embodied the Bourgeoisie, and women the Proletariat.
of this model--The Patriarchy--and its sub-theories are little more
than post hoc rationalizations based on emotional reasoning, easily
swallowed by the well-meaning public because of the evidence that
stands out most starkly to us given our natural, evolved views of
gender. Humans have always been more emotionally reactive to the
harms, injuries, injustices, complaints and perils affecting women,
and more likely to see women as nurturing, benign, kind, well-meaning
and deserving of protection. We have always been more likely to see
men as strong, sturdy, capable of self-sufficiency, potent and
potentially threatening, and these perceptions inform our reactions
when men suffer harms, injuries, injustices and dangers, and when
they dare to complain about them.
of these innate perceptions, when feminists pointed up toward the top
of society and showed us mostly men, we didn't bother to direct our
attention down to the bottom of society so we could see the mostly
men there, as well. We all saw a glass ceiling, but not a glass
cellar, and allowed feminists to convince us that all aspects of
society, the formalized and the informal, were male-dominated and
male-controlled, and that women, as a class, were utterly powerless
and subjugated under this system.
was redefined under this model, from a partnership where both parties
contributed and benefitted, to a form of sexual slavery and unpaid
drudgery for women where wives were subjugated and exploited for
their husbands' express benefit. Under second wave feminism, family
was reinterpreted as an institution based on exploitation--instead of
all members working together for the benefit and shared success of
all members, women were recast as powerless subordinates, providing
unreciprocated labor toward the raising of HIS children, and the
keeping of HIS house, labor that freed husbands to pursue economic
and social power outside the home.
didn't matter that most men had little more access to economic and
social power than most women, or that what power men achieved they
were expected to share equitably with their families. Feminists were
too busy pointing upward at the congressmen, bank managers and CEOs
and crying injustice, to show us the taxi drivers, garbage men,
plumbers, loggers, fishermen, miners, construction workers, factory
laborers, field workers, roughnecks and janitors. They envied the
power of generals and statesmen, but spared no thought for the
thousands of young footsoldiers dead in the trenches. They were
jealous of the self-determination that made an industrialist rich
beyond dreaming, but when that self-determination produced a
different outcome for the mostly male population of tramps, beggars
and hobos it was invisible to them.
focus solely on the men above and don't even notice the men below.
23 cent average, apples to oranges, annual wage gap is STILL, in
their minds, the height of sexist injustice, but the greater than 90%
workplace death gap is...well, who cares?
ways of providing for and protecting women that were necessary in the
pre-industrial past, were reinterpreted by feminism as male
oppressors keeping women down all through history, for men's benefit.
Domestic violence--a social problem that has ALWAYS been
gender-symmetrical--became synonymous with violence against women. A
husband's historical right to conjugal relations was redefined as
marital rape, while a wife's *identical right*--one that for
centuries if denied was legal grounds for divorce and could even get
a man excommunicated from his church--that part of history was
essentially erased from modern scholarship, even as it is upheld and
reinforced by feminist activism. In fact, according to current
feminist theories on domestic violence, a man withholding sex or
affection from his female partner, whatever the reason, is a form of
domestic abuse, and a man in France was recently required by a judge
to pay his ex-wife over $10,000 in punitive damages because he didn't
give her enough sex during the marriage.
traditional obligation of a woman to defer to her husband's authority
was defined as "oppression", but her husband's obligation
to die in a trench to protect his country and family...that became
"male privilege" and when enough people protested the
hubris of that assertion, it became "Patriarchy hurts men too."
The Patriarchy, all men are privileged by their maleness, and all
women oppressed by their femaleness. And if men are, as a class, the
privileged Bourgeoisie, if men hold collective power over society,
then all men are culpable for the oppression and exploitation of all
members of the female Proletariat, and any discrimination a man might
face in society is just his own privilege backfiring on him.
to radical feminists, the drastic technological and economic changes
that occurred during the last century--medical advances that
virtually eliminated deaths in childbirth and drastically decreased
infant and child mortality rates, changes that rendered the workplace
as comfortable and safe as your living room, safe and reliable birth
control, industrialization, automation, prosperity, plenty and an
unprecedented level of individual security--none of this has anything
to do with anything. Even prior to those changes, during a history in
which a woman might spend half her adult life pregnant or nursing
children, where most labor was gruelling, dangerous and simply beyond
the physical capabilities of women, where life was often brutal and
brief, and where men bore a legally enforceable obligation to provide
for the material needs of all family members, the fact that men bore
the economic authority as well as all the economic burdens of a
family was a system specifically designed to disempower women.
to radical feminists, your grandfathers and great grandfathers were
rapists and slave-masters who exploited, subjugated and violated the
women who were nearest and dearest to them--their own mothers,
sisters, wives and daughters. According to radical feminists, every
atrocity ever committed throughout all of history can be laid at the
door of normative masculinity, but every male-generated
advance--calculus, alternating current, the telegraph, the
transistor, radio, penicillin, the number system, hydro-electricity,
microwaves, fiberglass, the theory of relativity, the periodic table,
trigonometry, insulin, canned foods, vaccines, fire retardant,
teflon, wireless communications, the microchip, the birth control
pill and even tampons--is a result of men intentionally holding women
back, keeping women down, refusing to allow women to achieve, and
hogging all the power and glory.
see how this all works? All the evils of history, admittedly
committed mostly by men are evidence of men's oppressive natures. And
all the advances of civilization, because they were generated almost
exclusively by men, are equally evidence of men's oppressive natures.
Even the exceptional and wonderful things men achieved that have
benefitted all of us, are not evidence that men embody anything good.
In fact, they demonstrate the opposite. They are evidence that the
"old boys' club" modern feminists complain about today
dates all the way back to the pleistocene, when women would have
eagerly hunted mastodon with babies strapped to their breasts, and
carved back a jungle filled with leopards and bears, if only men had
not enslaved them and thereby deprived them of the opportunity to do
is what they believe. This is what ideological feminism IS. It
describes women's experience through all of history as identical to
the experience of blacks under slavery. You know, actual oppression,
subordination and exploitation without any compensatory benefit.
clarify, what were the "upsides" to being black in America
during slavery? Can anyone here name a single white slave owner who
ever died to save the lives of his black slaves? Who ever gave up a
space in a lifeboat to his black slave and chose himself to go down
with a ship? Who ever stood with a rifle between his black slaves and
an enemy to defend their lives,
rather than his right to own them?
anyone even imagine a white slave owner working 16 hours in a field
while his black slave stayed inside most of the day and kept his
house tidy, then coming home and sharing the fruits of his labors
with his black slave?
a black woman who was the sexual partner of a white slave owner have
any expectation of respect, lifelong provision or shelter, or of
sharing the benefits of his quality of life and his social status? Or
was she just an object of the moment, free to be used and cast aside
at will? Did a black man who was obligated to obey his owner's wife
have any legal right or recourse when she pointed a finger and
claimed he raped her? Or was he swinging from a tree within
anyone imagine a reality where a white slave owner would perform
physically gruelling or dangerous work because his black slave was
incapable of it? Or would he simply set more slaves to the task, or
work his slave to his death, or discard his used-up slave and buy a
better one? If women were truly oppressed by men, would they have
been spared the most onerous and dangerous work because they were
less physically capable of it, or would men have simply assigned more
women to the task?
anyone here name a single black person, man or woman, who rose to a
state-sanctioned position of serious political power during slavery?
Off the top of my head, I can name a ton of women who have been heads
of state, going as far back as Ancient Egypt. The greatest and most
notable black leaders emerging from Jim Crow America and apartheid
South Africa rose to influence by opposing the
government, not rising within it, because they had no avenue to power
within a system that oppressed them.
and oppression are defined as obligation and disadvantage without
compensatory benefit. Does anyone here think women, who were a tiny
minority, tenths of a percent, among the 10 million military
personnel who died during WWI, derived no benefit from the
traditional system? Heck, one of the few ways a man could duck
conscription was to be married--a man could literally avoid mandatory
military service if his wife would be inconvenienced by it. And yet
this system existed to benefit men at the expense of women?A system
of top-down oppression, according to feminists, that is no different
from the experience of blacks under slavery?
you perceive the history of gender relations as being remotely
similar to the history of slavery in the US, it's no shock to hear
feminist Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. Magazine, claim, "Man-hating
is an honorable and viable political act. The oppressed have a right
to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
as childish, simplistic and absurd as this model was, it wasn't long
before it had become firmly entrenched in academia, in the humanities
and the arts--in sociology, anthropology, psychology, history,
women's studies and gender studies, the very faculties and programs
associated with education, social work, journalism, the law and
political science. The very branches of society most able to
influence public perception. And because of all those things I was
talking about at the beginning of this presentation, public
perception was vulnerable to the half-truths presented to it,
disguised as the whole picture.
the really awesome thing about this model is that as long as enough
people believe it, even just a little, as long as enough people can
be convinced to see men as the Bourgeoisie who have always unjustly
benefitted from their exploitation of women, and women as the
Proletariat who have always been forced to toil and slave without
benefit under the boot-heel of those privileged men, you can justify
men are believed to have always collectively held power and economic
privilege through the enslavement of women, if all of men's authority
since the dawn of time was ill-gotten through the unreciprocated
exploitation and violation of women, then women are entirely
justified in stealing it back, and the state is justified in
assisting them. It becomes acceptable, justified and appropriate for
women to expropriate men's undeserved and unearned power by any means
necessary, including state coercion.
this attitude is not confined to family law, domestic violence law
and sexual assault law--the primary areas where men's interests
conflict with women's interests, and where the state has been quietly
at work, eroding due process protections and equal treatment under
the law, and building bloated and ravenous mechanisms that suck up
dollars and power while curtailing civil liberties. It's everywhere.
It informs economic and employment policy, health spending, criminal
to Dr Warren Farrell, the government has passed more laws to protect
women in the workplace from dirty jokes than it has to protect men
from injury and death due to faulty rafters on construction sites.
And nearly everyone in society, especially women, seems to feel this
is an appropriate allocation of resources.
need only watch the Life of Julia, Obama's most naked and blatant
appeal to the natures of women--especially young, single women. Julia
has no father, and no husband--she needs neither of those things. The
state will take care of her needs from birth to death, and will
support her when she decides to have a child of her own--a child
that, in Obama's narrative, is also fatherless. The man in Julia's
life, the one who will perform the roles--provision, protection,
support--historically performed by husbands, brothers and fathers, is
more powerful than any man she'll ever meet, more able to provide for
her, and one she need make no compromises with.
will never have to pick up this man's dirty socks, or put up with him
snoring or farting in bed, or consider his needs, or provide him with
respect, love or affection. He is the ultimate provider and the
ultimate protector, and he will ask nothing of her in return but her
he'll give her all those benefits through a system that coerces net
taxpayers and net tax-generators, of whom a disproportionate number
are men, to surrender their productivity while offering them neither
mutual benefit nor voluntary association. This feels right and just
to feminists, because the state is merely assisting Julia in stealing
back what was wrongfully taken from women, as a class, by men, as a
class. This feels like a great deal to Julia, since all she has done
is replace a man with whom she would be required to bargain freely,
with a state that provides her all the same benefits without the
messy business of having to trade anything valuable for them.
women today in the west can be said to be married to the state, in a
very real sense, men are married to it as well, and the obligations
expected of them are the same as they always have been. In this
marriage, men pay at least 75% of the tax revenue into the system,
and reap a disproportionately tiny percentage of its protections and
benefits. In this marriage, the state enforces the obligations of
husbandhood after divorce, and the obligations of fatherhood even
when men did not consent to become fathers, and even when they are
allowed no meaningful role in the lives of their children.
this marriage, the resources men put in are diverted toward the
additional protection of women through the erosion of men's legal
protections and civil rights. In this marriage, men are expected to
pay for a system that not only does not serve them, that not only
offers nothing back to them, that has not only made a mockery of due
process protections for them, but one that even handicaps their
ability to perform these obligations by favoring women in the
prioritization of education and employment, and by facilitating the
removal of fathers from the lives of children who need them.
state is, essentially, forcing men to finance a system that
disenfranchises them. And the state is, essentially, paying women to
disenfranchise men, and handicap their own children. Social
responsibility is enforced on men through penalty of imprisonment,
while for women, social irresponsibility means a check in the mail
lot of people have wondered aloud why there aren't more female
libertarians. If there's a reason, it might lie in a lack of
incentive. Big government costs the vast majority of men--their
wealth, their civil liberties, their autonomy, sometimes their
freedom--but for most women, big government represents an insurance
policy and a perpetual subsidy of their personal choices, good or
bad. Men pay, women benefit.
women sprinted down the aisle to offer their hands in marriage to the
state, for men, it was a shotgun wedding, coercive by its very
nature. And the influence of radical ideological feminism on
government and legal policy has ensured that this marriage is as
abusive as they come.
Gary told me about his experiences with family court and its
affiliated agencies, I told him, "If you weren't a libertarian
before all of this, I can certainly see why you're one now."
What used to be a voluntarily accepted obligation on the part of men,
is now extracted from them at the point of a gun, and often there is
no way for them, no matter how well they comply, to avoid being shot.
example of what men's tax dollars disproportionately support, which
lies in direct opposition to the interests and rights of men, would
be the institutionalization of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence.
model is the feminist conceptual framework of family violence, and it
is one that has been discredited by hundreds of studies across
cultures--from the most modern western democracies to countries like
Jordan and Namibia. According to Duluth, family violence is
overwhelmingly male-perpetrated, and is motivated by men's and
women's relative positions in society--by male social and political
dominance and the expectation of female subordination. A man who
batters his wife is not just asserting his dominance over her, he is
expressing normalized masculinity. Abuse and coercive control of
women, according to this model, is a not a pathology, but a natural
function of male identity within a Patriarchal culture. Simply put,
it's just what men do.
piece of legislation, every government policy and every publicly
funded treatment program in the US regarding family violence, and the
vast majority of them worldwide, employs this conceptual model.
bad it's bunk. As hundreds of studies demonstrate, in at least half
of cases, partner violence is reciprocal. It involves men and women
hitting each other, and what motivates men and women is pretty much
the same: anger, poor conflict resolution skills, jealousy, a desire
to control or discipline a partner, drug and alcohol problems, and
external stress such as poverty. Women are as likely as men to report
abusing their partners for all these reasons, and are more likely to
engage in coercive control of a partner. More than that, they are
more likely to be the one to initiate physical violence, and in cases
of severe unilateral abuse against a non-violent partner, women are
the perpetrators up to 70% of the time.
every 8 women seriously injured by domestic violence, at least 5 men
are also seriously injured. And perhaps most damningly, considering
feminism's unwillingness to address women's perpetration of violence,
the number one predictor of serious domestic violence injury in women
is their own initiation of violence. It is when men are hitting them
BACK that women are most likely to be hurt.
all this means is that patriarchal terrorism--the Duluth model of
intimate partner violence--is the most rare form of all--and yet the
patriarchal terrorism paradigm informs all of our government funded
mechanisms for intervention and treatment.
it doesn't end there.
least 35% of spousal murders are men murdered by their female
partners. I say at least, because if a woman engages a hitman,
boyfriend or relative to assist her in murdering her male partner, it
is classified statistically not as spousal homicide, but as
multiple-perpetrator homicide. Because of this, there is no way to
know how many men are killed by their female partners each year.
than this, women are the most likely demographic to perpetrate child
abuse and neglect, even controlling for time spent with children, and
the majority of young children murdered are murdered by their
mothers. Biological fathers are, in contrast, the least likely
demographic to abuse or kill young children, less likely than both
biological mothers and stepfathers.
the environment in which a woman is MOST safe from violence is in a
stable marriage, and the environment in which children are the MOST
safe from violence is one in which their parents are in a stable
our entire system of family law, and our entire response to domestic
violence, from the VAWA to local police department policies, is
designed to encourage and facilitate divorce, to favor sole maternal
custody arrangements, and to protect children from the very people
least likely to abuse them.
arrest policies coupled with predominant aggressor policies based on
Duluth, ensure that 1) somebody gets arrested in any domestic
violence incident, and 2) that regardless of who was assaulting whom,
the person arrested will almost always be the larger, stronger, male
judge in Florida recently estimated that 80% of all temporary
restraining orders granted in the context of divorce or child custody
cases, requested almost entirely by women, are either fraudulent or
unfounded. Divorce lawyers have called false allegations of domestic
violence and sexual abuse of children, and the abuse of TROs merely
part of the "gamesmanship" of divorce--a method by which a
wife can secure automatic custody of both the children and the
marital home, and leave an ex-partner scrambling to defend himself
often without access to necessary documents or even a change of
clothes. The average length of time it takes for a woman to obtain a
TRO in an ex parte hearing is under 3 minutes. She need provide no
evidence of prior abuse. All she has to tell the judge is that she
feels afraid of her husband. The first any man might hear that such
an order has been issued is when the police arrive to remove him from
advantages to a woman of abusing the system are many and myriad, and
the disadvantages virtually nil. By the time a man has cleared his
name, the children are often completely alienated from him. Family
court judges will go so far as to admit that a mother has abused her
own children through her abuse of process, but will hesitate to
penalize her in any way. She will almost always retain custody
because it would harm the children to place them in the care of a man
they've been wrongly taught to hate and fear. Because she retains
custody, if she's prosecuted, the children will suffer. If she's
financially penalized in the divorce settlement, the children will
suffer. If she's forced to pay him damages, the children will suffer.
In some extreme cases, judges have completely, permanently stripped
a man's rights and access to his children, explaining that the
mother's persistent combativeness, false accusations and abuse of
process had made it so that upholding that man's parental rights
would only subject the children to more of their mother's abuse.
while not every woman is going to take advantage of a system
weaponized specifically for her use, the ex-wife of a friend of mine
recently told him she was proud that she'd never availed herself of
such measures during their divorce, despite three court-appointed
officials encouraging her to make a false claim of domestic violence
and thereby gain the upper hand in the process.
models of gender and domestic violence have institutionalized the
assumption that all men are batterers or potential batterers, that
dominating, controlling and abusing their female partners and their
children is just part of what it means to be a man. They've
institutionalized an assumption of non-culpability on the part of
women even when they openly abuse their husbands, ex-husbands and
children, and even when they use the court system to do it.
85% of divorce cases in the US, mothers receive primary physical
custody. The remaining 15% represent sole paternal, and shared
physical custody arrangements. The average cost to a man in a
contested custody battle in the US is over $200, 000. It can take up
to six years of expensive court battles for a man to secure even
regular access or shared custody, let alone primary physical custody.
He may be required to pay his ex-partner's legal bills in addition to
his own, and pay for the court-ordered assessments and services
required for his case. Through this battle, he will also be required
to pay maintenance to his ex-partner in the form of alimony and/or
child support, and in some cases, even pay the fees of the third
party required for supervised visitation with his children.
it any wonder that in the year following a family break-up, men are
11 times more likely to commit suicide than women?
to the Michigan chapter of NOW, fathers' rights groups are an
"abuser's lobby", and the official stance of the chapter is
to oppose reforms that would normalize equal or near-equal shared
custody after divorce if neither parent is unfit. They oppose these
measures in part because it would put women and children in danger
from abusive and controlling former spouses, and in part because it
would have an unintended negative impact on child support awards.
This, despite the oft-stated feminist claim that cultural assumptions
that women are automatically better caregivers are sexist against
women, and despite the fact that the environment in which a child is
at the highest risk of suffering abuse is in the care of a single
is the influence of politicized ideological feminism in the areas of
domestic violence and family law. And while society has always placed
a greater priority on protecting women than men from violence and
abuse, feminists have managed to rewrite history and public
perception of human interaction, in order to justify ever more
intrusive government mechanisms that protect women from even their
own criminal behavior, and curtail the rights and civil liberties of
the men who find themselves at the mercy of the system after having
done nothing wrong.
the last 40 years, a growing number of researchers have challenged
feminism's theory of gender conflict and the conceptual framework of
Duluth. These researchers have been subjected to blacklisting, career
sabotage, intimidation, professional shunning and even death threats.
Family violence researcher Suzanne Steinmetz had a bomb threat called
into her daughter's wedding. Erin Pizzey, the woman who established
the first battered women's refuge in the world, lived for years under
police protection due to threats to herself, her children and
grandchildren, and finally fled the UK after her family dog was
killed. All for daring to say that women are as violent as men within
relationships, and that partner abuse is not a natural function of
masculine identity, but a gender neutral social problem primarily
caused by experience of abuse during childhood.
prove women are not violent, feminists have engaged in campaigns of
violence and threats, and to prove society is male-dominated,
feminists have engaged in a pattern of malfeasance that has silenced
all other voices, allowing feminism to remain the dominant authority
in all gendered issues. And they evidently see no irony in any of
fiscal, social and human costs of these policies are staggering. We
treat every domestic violence accusation, indeed even the hint that a
woman is afraid of her partner, with a better safe than sorry
strategy that engages multiple bureaucracies. Taxpayers and
beleaguered men pay thousands upon thousands of dollars for
investigations, assessments, psychiatric evaluations, lawyers,
expensive legal proceedings, incarcerations and prosecutions, a
growing number of which end with the discovery that a woman was lying
for revenge or for personal gain. Children are mercilessly fragged by
combative mothers, deprived, often permanently, of what may be their
only stable parent. Fathers are ground into the dust.
programs, run by government funded agencies, apply a single,
ideologically tainted treatment to a multifaceted problem, "curing"
citizens of diseases they don't have, while allowing their actual
problems to fester untreated. Cumbersome legal procedures, no-drop
policies, predominant aggressor policies, institutional, legal and
informal biases, all contribute to a bill that is increasingly
impossible for taxpayers to afford, and that is handicapping the
ability of children--those future taxpayers who will be stuck with
the growing mass of red ink generated by this system--to shoulder the
children--an epidemic of whom we are creating with these
policies--are more prone to a whole host of social maladies. They are
at two to ten times the risk of being physically or sexually abused,
becoming teenage parents, dropping out of school, being behaviorally
disordered, becoming involved in gangs, being addicted to alcohol or
drugs, being expelled from school, committing suicide, not going to
college, committing crimes, being incarcerated, requiring welfare or
food stamps, contracting sexually transmitted diseases, and being
victims of violence. In fact, if you control for fatherlessness, the
race disparity in the US prison system all but vanishes.
we're expecting our children to bail us out of the fiscal and human
mess we're creating, we're in for a nasty surprise.
is a problem of snowballing costs that will only worsen with each
generation, as government gets more bloated and top-heavy while
simultaneously crippling the ability of future generations to support
it. It is a system where we examine the reading scores of 8 year old
boys not to determine how to help boys stop falling behind in
education, but to determine how many new prisons we need to build. It
is a system wherein a man who is laid off and temporarily unable to
pay his child support is systematically stripped of his driver's
license and professional licenses, thrown in debtors' prison and
saddled with a criminal record, rendering him permanently unable to
pay it. Where we will metaphorically chop a man's arms off, and then
tell him he'd better still shovel for all he's worth or he'll be
behind all of this, you will find radical feminist lobbyists pushing
for further "reforms" for women to undo millennia of
oppression of women that never existed as they believe it did, and
regardless of the collateral damage to other members of society. They
do this in the name of "liberating" women from the
oppression of their historical dependence on men, by constructing
enormous government bureaucracies, ever-growing in power and scope,
funded disproportionately by men, and upon which women in general
have become just as dependent a they ever were on any man.
the purpose of "ending oppression", because, as we all
know, no government anywhere has ever oppressed anyone.
This is brilliant. Would it be a lot of trouble to ask for citations, however?ReplyDelete
I concur. Girlwriteswhat is an impressive writer and orator, but I do have the strong desire to be able to verify a lot of her claims independently.Delete
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Awesome stuff, GWW...Of course, to the rational, it reads as common sense. Also, let me assure you, I am living proof that one can be a Socialist AND a Red Pill advocate! Go on, ask me how, I dare ya... ;)ReplyDelete
Ok, Sean: how?
Posted this on he wrong blog post lolReplyDelete
To present the other side to all of this, here are some links to some Anti-Feminist Marxist thought:
I'll sate up front that I grew up in an Ultra-conservative town, and "Commie-Baiting" as a form of argumentation is old news to me. But now you have some other things to add for food for thought here.
Also, since you cited Anelauskas, I took the liberty of checking him out:
Looks to me as if Capitalism is tyranny, regardless of which gender it supposedly serves.
@ Kevin -Delete
Define "capitalism" and "tyranny".
Thanks for this! We are few anti feminist on the left. But I think we are growing.Delete
I see we already have Marxists coming out of the woodwork to jump in front of male rights, trying to escape the sinking ship of feminism that their cultural Marxism wrought.ReplyDelete
Do you really think men are that gullible? That once we grow off the oppressive, totalitarian yoke of feminism, we will turn around and give up our newfound freedom, our autonomy, our families over to the leviathan socialist state the left wants to construct? You think we are ridding ourselves of solipsistic women in order to hand our sovereignty over to the solipsistic all-encompassing State?
Do you really think we men are interested in handing our autonomy over to a State that seems to remold us into its image of the ideal citizen, right after we shake the yoke of women trying to do the same to us? At least some of the men bein reshape by their women get sex, the people reshape by the Stare just get screwed.
Tell you what, why don't you socialists go to one of the scores of countries you've already screwed up, and try to fix it first? To to Cuba or Venezuela or Argentina. Go to Spain or Greece. G show us socialism works in areas where you already have control, damnit!
Oh, I know.
Hitler was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.
Stalin was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.
Castro was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.
And so on. Socialist countries alllllways fail because the Grand People's Revolution got hijacked by right wingers!
But guess what? All those socialist revolutionaries were heavily supported by the left of their time. The Marxists in the US thought the USSR was a freaking paradise. They had to have facts beaten over their head for thirty years, and even then they didn't admit they were wrong, they just stopped talking.
So, considering your socialist forebears got it all wrong and supported tyrants, why should we trust you or your instincts? Has it "just not been done right", eh? Why is Argentina in the midst of a 10 year slide from prosperity that conveniently coincided with its election of a socialist government?
Why is Venezuela a hellhole when it is such a naturally rich country? Socialism. Corruption. But alas, I repeat myself. Government centralized power is corrupting. Marxists can't change this fact of reality any more than they can change which direction the sun rises in. And no, "Democracy" isn't some magic wand to fix the problems of government power. See Egypt and Iraq for details on that.
You call capitalism corruption? I go home to a big screen tv, game systems, I have a smartphone the richest man on earth couldn't own 4 years ago. My non-union bosses at work are a joy to work with, i like work almost as much as i like home. And you think this is OPPRESSION?
Notice how the Marxists posting here are all smiles. They really do believe they can establish a government based on caring and love. The problem is the collectivism has to be based on math, calculation, and rationing, which is COLD, not warm hearted. That is why socialist regimes fail and turn ugly. The rubber meets the road, socialist theory meets reality, and chaos insues.
For details, see the countries I mentioned.
Excellent comment! Could not have said it better myself.Delete
In another words, GirlWritesWhat, I hope you do not mind me taking this and translating it into several languages, do you?
I agree with Lucian Valsan: I couldn't have said it better myself!Delete
In my view, there is only one question a "socialist" needs to hear: Do you accept "from each according to his ability", or is it "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?
Since the latter logically leads to tyranny - whether socialist, feminist, or nazi -men have no sane reason to exchange feminist oppression for socialist oppression. The only sane position for men is the libertarian-classical liberal position.
Healthy non-dysfunctional families operate on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and it is NOT tyranny. A parent doesn't ask a child to contribute more than he or she reasonably is able to contribute, and no matter how little that is the child is provided all the food and shelter and comfort that he or she needs, and this is NOT tyranny.Delete
People can create a sharing economy on this principle by voluntary federation of local communities, and that is NOT tyranny.
The hijacking of the "from each...to each..." principle (which is the 'egalitarian' principle and which predates Marx by thousands of years) by Marxists linked it in the minds of contemporary people to tyrannical rule by a Communist Party. Marxism is indeed inherently anti-democratic ('tyrannical' if you will) because it purports to be a "science" based on the notion that ordinary people are primarily selfish and are therefore subjectively opposed to egalitarianism ('communism') but can be socially engineered by an elite who understand the Marxist "science" to one day support an egalitarian social system.
Rejecting Marxism is the right thing to do. Rejecting egalitarianism is the wrong thing to do.
The only practical alternative to egalitarianism is a society that approves of some people having a right to the kind of concentrated wealth that enables them eventually to become a privileged and powerful elite (as in the U.S. today) that dominates the rest, using divide-and-conquer strategies that include things such as promoting feminism to undermine solidarity between ordinary men and women. Feminism didn't just happen in the U.S.; it was funded by Big Money.
Please see my "Misandry: An Obstacle to Solidarity Between Men and Women" at http://newdemocracyworld.org/culture/misandry.html .
It would be a great thing if all of the Marxists who are coming out of the woodwork were to consider that it may be possible to take feminism out of Marxism, but it is not possible to take Marxism out of feminism.Delete
Heidi Hartmann once described the relation between Marxism and feminism as analogous to that of husband and wife under English common law: "Marxism and feminism are one, and that one is Marxism." (Source: http://tinyurl.com/cm2llzv )
I was born into and grew up in the national-socialist Hitler regime, and Marx' 'Das Kapital' was required reading in high school then. Have no illusions that a socialist regime has anything good to offer to the common man. Far too many people have had that reality rammed down their throats, and no one who ever lived under socialist oppression would be inclined to say anything different. That doesn't change even when Marxism puts on the cloak of feminism.
Igor Shafarevich, a world-renowned mathematician who took on the role of a historian when he examined the role of socialism throughout history and the never-ending, futile quest for a socialist utopia explained it very well and in excellent detail in his book, "The Socialist Phenomenon." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn summarized the context of that book very well in his foreword to it: http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html#pagestart_vii
We should never forget that Betty Friedan was a Stalinist scholar and for much of her life a functionary of the Communist Party of the USA. http://fathersforlife.org/feminism/truth_a_la_friedan.htm
As to Karen Straughan's observation that feminism is communism in panties and how Marx and Engels promoted women's rights, Bolshevism did the same. So do the Marxist feminists when they quote verbatim from Marx and Engels, and so did Mao Zedong, who put that sentiment into words for the Chinese common people, as quoted in Chapter 31,"Women", of 'The Little Red Book':Delete
"A man in China is usually subjected to the domination of three systems of authority [political authority, clan authority and religious authority]…. As for women, in addition to being dominated by these three systems of authority, they are also dominated by the men (the authority of the husband). These four authorities – political, clan, religious and masculine – are the embodiment of the whole feudal-patriarchal ideology and system, and are the four thick ropes binding the Chinese people, particularly the peasants. How the peasants have overthrown the political authority of the landlords in the countryside has been described above. The political authority of the landlords is the backbone of all the other systems of authority. With that overturned, the clan authority, the religious authority and the authority of the husband all begin to totter…. As to the authority of the husband, this has always been weaker among the poor peasants because, out of economic necessity, their womenfolk have to do more manual labour than the women of the richer classes and therefore have more say and greater power of decision in family matters. With the increasing bankruptcy of the rural economy in recent years, the basis for men’s domination over women has already been undermined. With the rise of the peasant movement, the women in many places have now begun to organize rural women’s associations; the opportunity has come for them to lift up their heads, and the authority of the husband is getting shakier every day. In a word, the whole feudal-patriarchal ideology and system is tottering with the growth of the peasants’ power."
--“Report on an Investigation of the Peasant Movement in Hunan” (March 1927), Selected Works, Vol. I, pp. 44-46.
[The Little Red Book, Chapter 31. WOMEN, Full text
Look it up. It's only a little more than one page.]
Does it really surprise anyone that Erin Pizzey reported time and again that the redfems she came in touch with during the late '60s and early '70s had posters of Che Guevara and Mao on their living room walls and copies of 'The Little Red Book' on their coffee tables?
How does taking feminism out of Marxism make Marxism any less destructive and oppressive? A male version of Marxism isn't any better than a feminist one. The results are the same.
Well, if you allow me to come out of the woodwork and set foot on your civilized city, I can give an answer to you... Though I guess you are not interested in any answer.Delete
...why don't you socialists go to one of the scores of countries you've already screwed up, and try to fix it first? To to Cuba or Venezuela or Argentina. Go to Spain or Greece
Well, you forget to mention USA, as everybody knows since Obama took power it became Soviet USA.
The problem is that you have no idea of what socialism is. Except Cuba, none of those countries is socialist. In the woodworks we take the time to read some books and study social processes. "Socialism" means collective ownership of the means of production. That does not happen in Greece, or Spain, or Venezuela, or in Argentina. It happens to a limited extent in Cuba, and certainly do not happen on most of the world.
However, in both Venezuela and Argentina some policies are taken that restrict the advance of international financial power on the local capitalist development. That is not "socialism", is just a dash of common sense. By the way, I am Argentinian, and know you have not the slightest idea of what are you talking about. The "socialist" regime that Argentina has, won last election with 54% of the votes. Venezuela "socialist" regime won 17 out of 18 elections (for president and the parliament).
And if you took the time to analyze the economy indicators in Argentina and Venezuela from a historical perspective, you would find out they improved dramatically. For instance, in 2011 Argentina economic growth was only second to China's.
And if you had lived in those countries when they had good conservative governments, you had find out what happened: kindly try to research what happened in Argentina during 2001, before the current government took power. Learn that, for instance, a very capitalistic government prevented people from withdrawing cash from the banks, something that will soon happen in many other countries. Or take a look to Venezuela's "Caracazo" and learn what it was, and who was responsible for it.
And Greece... that is really a good one: Greece is a socialist country! Really? A country that is being strangled by a conservative government to pay a debt nobody benefited from just to make EU bankers happy, you call that "socialist"? On what basis? Are you serious?
Please, read a little bit more on the issues you decide to talk about.
This is it. Definitive. If there is an Anti-Feminist Holy Grail, this is it. Every point in this article could be expanded into an irrefutable, fact filled chapter in one of the most important books the West might ever see. And fitting for a Libertarian audience (though it has been my personal experience that many Libertarians have strong chivalric leanings, at least toward women they know personally.) I have often wondered how receptive they would be to a perspective like this.
I'm sharing this all over the place.
So funny that a WOMAN has more balls than all the MRAs put together. Utterly PATHETIC.ReplyDelete
More balls? There is nothing here that hasn't been written by MRAs before - you just think it is somehow better just because it's written by a woman. But the way the world is - a man saying this stuff gets told to "man up" and stop whining, a woman saying this might get more people listening. If that works, great.Delete
I'm a fan of GWW and like her articles and videos but the only PATHETIC thing here is your comment.
Your handle immediately suggests that you are a serious thinker and tend to inform yourself before commenting. In all seriousness your comment is about the dumbest I've ever read. You come across as a misinformed teenager jackass and insult men on a MRA website and falsely assert GWW is more bold and has a more critical anti-feminist, MRA perspective than anyone (because she has "more balls" LOL and shaming language too) when, as Rorschach rightly points out, GWW is saying what many have said before, more or less. GWW is among the most articulate and interesting (but not because she has more boobs, I hope).
Everyone, this is a guy who's been trolling the Men's Rights subreddit for months. Promotes some "manhood academy" BS website. All his posts get removed or heavily downvoted. Just ignore him.Delete
I have nothing intelligent to add, though I wish I did. I just wanted to say that if I'd been present when you spoke this, I would have applauded until my hands bled.ReplyDelete
So what's the path out of this mess? It seems as if we're somewhat doomed to more and more laws based on women complaining about things. It's not masculine to complain about how hard things are for you, so "men's rights" will always be a minority position.ReplyDelete
I'm reminded of a scene from "The Enemy" (a ST:TNG episode), where Worf says ...
"I have not a cause to complain, Captain."
To which Picard replies ...
"Oh. Lieutenant, you wouldn't complain even if you had cause!"
I don't see the men's rights movement catching on for that very reason.
My cynical side says the only way this will end is when feminism causes the complete collapse of society, and then women will beg for a return of men who act like men.
Wow, great read. Going to be sharing this one a lot.ReplyDelete
Crow: Women and kids suffer the most in such situations. They may suffer even more. These things do happen and I find it endlessly ironic that feminists tend to be so anti-gun. Firearms are the ONLY tool that puts men and women on equal defensive physical footing.
I would be your #1 fan, except you already have thousands!ReplyDelete
What an extraordinarily well written & presented piece.
Really wish there were a few hundred GWWs - at least one for every country - eloquence, analysis, truth.
But most of all, thank you for being GWW.
Amazing work. I'm 100% behind you here. -RedPillSchool Reddit/r/theredpillReplyDelete
Nice article/speech. Is there a video of it, perchance?ReplyDelete
Also I'd like to echo the request for citations. I know that can be a lot of work, but with citations this write-up would be an excellent goto article for open-minded people who have only heard about how MRAs are misogynist and all that. Also, the statement "if you control for fatherlessness, the race disparity in the US prison system all but vanishes" is especially interesting to me, can anyone link me to a resource for that?
Karen Straughan (GirlWritesWhat) spoke to the NY LIbertarian Party Convention,Delete
April 27, 2013, at the Rhinecliff Hotel, Rhinecliff NY
Brilliant. This speech is as good a candidate for an Anti-Feminist Manifesto as any I've read. It will reach the ends of the earth before this year is out. Mark my words.ReplyDelete
Girl, you are truly a Godsend.
How did the speech go down, & is there a recording of it at all?ReplyDelete
It went down awesome. Seriously. And there should be a video in the next couple of days. I'll upload as soon as it's up. :)Delete
Being already familiar with the high quality of GWW writings and videos it does not surprise me that she hits the nail on the head so often and consistently. As for the politicking in the comments - all sides can keep their opinions to themselves as I have found no side free from it's feminist panderers and as for which system is better - I'd say your asking the wrong questions - the best systems are only as good as human beings running it. Consequently I don't care for partisanship what impresses me is whether or not the common good is being served or not - that's my litmus test no other.ReplyDelete
I found a relevant animated short about the MRA. It's pretty great :) It's how I ended up at this blog post. http://tinyurl.com/cw3yp42 Ha Ha, Marxists . . .ReplyDelete
Feminism, socialism, identity politics and other ideologies have so much overlap--both in who adheres to them, what methods they use and what effect they have on society--that it is easy to lose track of where the boundaries are. It is possible to be a socialist who is against feminism or a feminist who rejects socialism, even if it is not a common combination. It's just so much easier to coordinate people by lies and tricks, not least when self-motivation makes yourself one of the people you are lying to and tricking. Asking people to cooperate for a goal they may not share or can't understand their connection to can't compete with appealing to a higher power like God or Gaia or a supposedly strong yet companionate nation state or best yet: fear.ReplyDelete
I don't mean these ideologies are better, just better at spreading. They are faster at reinforcing themselves by converting people. I wish I knew a solution to this that didn't involve a system failure on a massive scale.
Karen Straughan (GirlWritesWhat) spoke to the NY LIbertarian Party Convention,ReplyDelete
April 27, 2013, at the Rhinecliff Hotel, Rhinecliff NY
Hey! I read your thing and watched the speech on YouTube.ReplyDelete
I'm a man. I feel like I'm a good person, and I try to work hard and care for my family, but I also try to be informed about the issues.
I like this piece, but like others, I'd like to know some of the people and studies that you're citing for your work. Your work is fantastic, but anyone I end up in a debate with is (sadly) going to write you off as a "Libertarian shill" or as a "self-hating woman" -- so if you could do a post with lists of your primary sources and researchers.
This is one of the best anti-feminist articles I've seen in a long time. I used to consider myself an "equity feminist" as coined by Professor Christina Hoff Sommers but over the course of several years, the blatant misandry I found being perpetuated at women's organizations and groups, has tipped me over the fence. Most of these women are psychotic, bordering on batshit evil at times.Delete
For Domestic Violence studies, go here:
For other resources:
Australian Institute of Male Health and Studies (AIMHS):
Online forum for men:
"No Mere Ape" (NMA), who writes for Anti-Misandry (and is apparently quite popular), also blogs at http://www.feministed.com/
NMA has a substantial collection of valid resources on everything from domestic violence to feminist academic fraud (as seen in Women's Studies); he also happens to be a Scientist. Try shooting him an email at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Well... I saw this coming (sigh). This will probably be long... Hope not boring, I'll do my best:ReplyDelete
I am Marxist-Leninist, and consider myself an MRA. And though in MRM you will hear mostly right-wingers, there is a growing number of leftist men and women -most of them silent on straightforward political issues inside MRM- that defy or at least mistrust feminist dogma.
In fact feminism is not a product of Marxism. It is true that Marx and many marxist revolutionnaries gave credit to feminism to a certain extent, but it was never a cornerstone of Marxism.
Curiously enough, you will find much more instances of real male-female equal rights and obligations in many left revolutionnary movements, particularly in the so-called Third World, were male and female militants shared the arms, the combat in battleground and the risk of being kidnapped and tortured by repressive forces which were always predominantly male. I remember in my country (I am Argentinian) one confuse episode of combat in which an armed group was difficult to identify from an ideologic perspective. It came clear they were leftist when some of the militants were identified as women.
The conservative society, the good old days of male "respect" did nothing for real men rights. And if feminism grew as a parasite of the workers struggles (the "international women's day" is a good example of people that was killed not for being women but for being striking workers, the "women's day" is in fact a stolen memory of the working class), truth is that radical feminism grew stronger under the neocon society as a substitute of a real political agenda.
The defeat of many revolutionnary movements turned many people who for good reasons are sick of capitalism into feminist because feminism is a sort of cheap way of feeling "leftist". Marxism is not a simple ideology and describing it exceeds a post, it implies some complex thinking just because it faces complex problems. Feminism is on the contrary an easy, shapeless and contradiction-friendly bunch of slogans available to anybody with minnimum intelectual abilities. Add the fact that even in countries in which being a Communist poses a risk to your life, being a feminist, no matter how "radical", is always chic and accepted.
In fact feminism is, from an orthodox Marxist perspective, an anti-Marxist ideology such as fascism or racism, where class relationships are artificially transposed into gender relationships (as racism transpose class relationships into race relationships). You can perfectly prove that women's oppression is a lie, but proving that capital gains on human work don't exist, or that class oppression is a fantasy will take you a little bit more effort.
Your analysis on gender issues are sharp, but your comments on Marxism need a little bit more than what you can read in newspapers. I understand for a libertarian or a Tea Party member identifying feminism with Marxism will make antifeminism more appealing, but the fact is that male oppression exists well before Marxism, and it is not Marxism which brought it to the capitalist society.
As a side issue, when talking about Marxism it is necessary to understand what it is and what it is not. In a country in which Obama is called "socialist", and "liberal" means "leftist" (in other words: a country where political views are extremely shifted to the right) the adjective "Marxist" is applied to anybody that poses even a dash of limits to the power of elites. Curiously, those elites had no problem in sucking enormous amounts of money from that state they hated so much, when they had to be "rescued" in 2008, forgetting any "free competition market" principle. Capitalism turns in fact into a reversed socialism where private income remains private, but losses are socialized.ReplyDelete
If you are identifying Marxism with Obama, the Socialdemocratic parties in Europe or even some progressive but still capitalistic political regimes, let me tell you: you are just repeating propaganda. Marxism is not that.
Those political parties that are called "leftist" or even "marxist" by the deluded right do no touch a single comma of this capitalist script: they keep on sending armies from the military powers to crush weak countries (by the way: all males, with a couple of adventurous females and... Oh yes: some women in charge now, but as always, mostly males keep on dying on the battleground), keep pouring money on a broken financial system, keep the tax pressure higher on the poor, and finally: keep the gap between rich and poor growing more and more. Exactly as neocons.
An interesting question would be: what kind of society we want from an MRM perspective? Are we just asking to go back to some past, when feminism did not exist and male were not slaves? Show me that past, please.
If you want an interesting men's rights approach which is very close to Marxist views, you can refer to Esther Vilar, who accurately and bravely crushed feminism much before you and me, during the '70s with no need of any conservative or anti-marxist speech.
Thanks for your patience, and openess to debate.
And now I shall delete your comment, you leftist! Just kidding.Delete
I tailored my speech to appeal to libertarians. If I were addressing Canada's NDP, I'd have given a totally different speech, for sure.
That said, I want you to know I didn't read about the interaction of marxism and feminism in any newspaper--it's like an open secret in the mainstream, apprehended but never mentioned outright. This isn't even a criticism of marxism--it's a criticism of the absurdity of applying a marxist model like class conflict theory to gender, which is what leads to people saying (and believing) batshit things like "women's experience through history is identical to the experience of blacks under slavery."
Especially given that there were protections written into the slave codes of France and Britain that exempted women from certain forms of exploitation and punishment, these protections did not apply to male slaves, and one of the results of this was that female slaves outnumbered male in most places, despite only 2/3 as many being brought to the colonies. In a nutshell, they were subjected to less harsh treatment and use, and lived longer.
One of the first people who wrote about the hypocrisy in feminist thought and rhetoric was a marxist himself--E Belfort Bax. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend people to check out his treatises on early feminism, his criticisms of their dishonesty and the tactics they engaged in even then to silence dissent.
IOW, while I lean toward libertarianism myself, I would be perfectly happy to give a talk about anti-feminism or the MRM to any group.
I followed the link to this article from a post by Fathers 4 Justice (UK) on FB. So glad I did :)ReplyDelete
Thank you thank you Karen, for such a well written, eloquent piece!
I'll come clean in order to give perspective to my comment and to help with the feedback demographic.
As a man recently coming out of a 14 year relationship where I found myself the victim of domestic abuse for the last 8 years, to read someone distil my thoughts on how negatively men are portrayed socially & culturally these days is a breath of fresh air. For me, both as a man and the father of a 8 year old boy to hear this and that these are the thoughts of someone who happens to be a women talking about Male gender bias issues, is very healing in some way I cannot completely articulate.
I know too well, the cost, both emotionally & financially of having to fight to stay in your child's life. The pain and heartache it causes having to accept that custody is given based on gender rather than who is the more stable and nurturing parent. It's a dark place. Really is.
I cannot quite put into words just what reading this has meant to me so I'll stop now for fear of auto babble but you've really helped restore my faith in humanity and womankind and lit up that dark place today. Thank you. I'll be subscribing to your blog and look forward to dipping in from time to time. Thanks Karen.
On Feminism's Contribution To State Dependence:ReplyDelete
I very much appreciate this very meticulous explanation of just how the misandry movement is increasing the burden and bloat of government.
On Libertarianism Itself:
I find it ironic that marxism is considered the antipathy of libertarianism, as both philosophies perpetrate the same starry-eyed ignorance of the exact same fundamental truth of human nature: A power vacuum will be filled.
The peasants of russia quickly learned that Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat was not going to simply go away after serving its initial purpose of wealth redistribution.
In the same vein, Americans have been learning very painfully on multiple fronts what happens when you cripple government's ability to do its job.
The libertarian-minded individuals elected on the premise that government is the cause of all ills repealed or simply ceased enforcement of anti-trust, consumer protection, environmental protection, workplace safety, and worker's rights law.
The result: Corporate chairpeople who unaccountably wield power perhaps even more potent than the nobles of the previous feudal age (and let's face it: a pure libertarian society is feudalism - defined as a society where order is maintained by those who also control the major sources of economic output rather than a distinctly separate "government".
I agree with some of the other commenters here that this piece might carry more authority with citations. However, I respect the fact that it is being presented as a "talk" and not intended necessarily as an academic treatise.ReplyDelete
At the same time, Karen, if you have not already begun to do so, I would encourage you to consider focusing at least some of your energy on the more intensive work of writing a book, as you have the insight, and you are already doing the writing, you just need to take it to that next level, the sort that would appeal to a more "academic" audience (and include things like citations). That particular audience may not as readily engage with you otherwise, but I think it would be Worth Your Effort, and would benefit the cause overall, if you were to engage them...on their own turf, so to speak.
I am currently working with author and Peace Leadership Director for the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, Paul K. Chappell (http://www.peacefulrevolution.com/). He is 33 years old and is getting ready to publish his fourth book, "The Art of Waging Peace." During the completion of this work, I had the privilege of frequently being in his company as he very diligently pursued the writing, (reference) reading and rereading, and necessary copy editing with a single-mindedness I have come to envy. (In all honesty, I am intent on letting as much of that kind of focused intention rub off on me as possible as I have my own books to write as well.) I know I may never become As Focused as he has been, but I know I will have to become at least somewhat More Focused for me to be equally successful in accomplishing my own writing goals. And to this end, his "modeling" has had a significant impact on me.
What I am suggesting to you here is there is power in being willing to go that extra mile, to Really Focus all of that insight and intelligence and passion that you have, and to accept the expectations of the academic community in how you will need to present those insights and ideas...and references.
I have great respect for your work. It deserves the respect of others who can help to further its influence.
A book is a good idea, but it needn't be an academic treatise. Roy Baumeister wrote an antifeminist book called, "Is there anything good about men?" and it included no citations or references, and he is a tenured professor at a university.ReplyDelete
These are simply theories as to how we got here, and why things are the way they are. Baumeister's theory is that around the time when agriculture was invented, the status of men rose greatly relative to the status of women. Male sociality excelled in large, impersonal structures such as those which created large governing systems, such as cities and towns. Female sociality excelled at one-to-one personal networks, particularly pair-bonding. Neither one is greater than the other, and both are crucial to survival, but culture was created from male sociality because it thrived in large, impersonal structures which created vast wealth. So it's not so much that men oppressed women, but rather, they were greatly more respected than women.
This doesn't require references nor does it require citations, it's just a theory, and a plausible one I think. He includes anecdotes from his life which support his theory. For example, once, while on vacation in Aruba, he took a sailboat out in the bay. He noted that there was another gentlemen in a sailboat in the bay, around his age- 50. Without either of them saying a word to each other, they both raced one another back to shore, to see which one could get there first. He then asks the reader, "can you imagine two 50 year women racing each other in sailboats back to shore, to see who could get there first?" It's not that it cannot happen, but rather, women simply do not engage in this behavior.
Again, no citations, no references, purely anecdotal. But it is persuasive nonetheless.
GWW...I am new to the forum you present. And the Internet. Believe it or not, my access is only my phone. I have no computer. Yet I am so folded by your dissections, and the revelations they reveal. I wish to communicate in a honest and productive manner. Please respond via email to email@example.com. Thank you for the knowledge you disseminate. As a man, I thank you. In future msgs I hope to describe my parley into the agreement of wanted commitment, vs. betrayal. And she was NOT a "conscious" feminist. Sometimes they just don't even know.ReplyDelete
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Half comment on libertarianism:ReplyDelete
Groups with more resources win over groups with less. Groups with collective qualities that incline them to have greater agency as a group, can overpower groups with less cohesion.
Libertarian systems have likely been weaker, because the power they can bring to bear on their agendas, together, is weaker. Because they want to be more independent :P
I haven't finished reading this speech yet, but you posed a question about the benefits of slavery, and I do actually have an answer for you.ReplyDelete
In New Orleans, there were many jobs which were very dangerous, and it was considered to be too cost-risky to use an expensive slave to perform it. This was where Irish immigrants came in. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Tigers#The_original_Louisiana_Tigers (paragraph 5)
It should also be noted that some slaves actually were more akin to indentured servants: they could earn wages and buy their own freedom. Source: http://www.historyextra.com/qa/slave-labour
Take those sources as you will, or perform your own research.
Okay, so after reading a number of your posts, I gather you are not a woman of faith; however, regardless of the status you place on spirituality, I can say with certainty that finding you is a direct answer to my prayers.ReplyDelete
As the stay-at-home mother of three boys (now young men), I grappled constantly with the sense that I was just "not enough." With no university degree and no high-profile career, I always felt that my life was a dismal failure. Growing up in the bra-burning 1970's, there was this tremendous pressure on young women to go out and "have-it-all," and by choosing to marry young and have children soon after, it seemed as though I'd sold out on my gender and squandered my potential. A woman once scolded me (at a church ladies' meeting) for not volunteering more of my "free time" to the various women's organizations in the church and in the community (I took her advice--but that's a horror story for another time). Although I never identified myself as "feminist," I'd unconsciously swallowed the Kool-Aid: I had de-valued myself as a mother, and as a woman, because I couldn't measure my worth in terms of power or dollars.
Three years ago, after all of my boys had left home, my husband encouraged me to enroll in university. While I've enjoyed it and done very well, my older, wiser self has become EXTREMELY concerned with the open hostility toward men, and the ridiculously biased propaganda that's being shoved down the throats of the next generation. I often sit in class and know in every fibre of my being that something is seriously amiss, but have not had the time to explore exactly where the stench is coming from.
After being assigned a paper with a feminist perspective, I felt a need to research its origins and ideology. As a mature student, I was unfamiliar with many of the authors currently working in the arena of women's studies, so I set out to fill this gap in my knowledge. Of course, you already know what I found; a horrifying, vitriolic, grossly prejudiced, dung pile.
The enormity of the LIE took my breath away, but it also made me angry; there is no one who could EVER convince me that my three, wonderful boys are evil rapists and pedophiles, or that they are intrinsically flawed due to their gender. Furious, I prayed for answers: I needed articulate, well-formed arguments that I could study in order to combat this destructive phenomenon, and I believe that God led me here. While I have no idea how to even start this battle, I at least have a place to start now.
Thanks so much for your courage, and for sharing your remarkable insight.
I've never liked being hated, but since My mother(?) was a feminist, I was physically forced to accept it. My father(?) was a strong male, but atypically supported His wife. Being now (even less than the 80% OkCupid substandard) 57 (according to 'them'), though having 'suspected' for decades, I never allowed Myself to completely accept what I mentally knew to be true. It took that "just one more betrayal" to get Me to no longer allow the female and Her accomplices to get away with it unscathed... without consequences. Yup, I "manned" up, but not in the way 'they' assumed I should and would, and expected Me to:-)ReplyDelete
From My mother(?) to My last relationship (with a female) I had been mentally and physically abused. As an adult I admit I allowed it to happen for it was what I was expected to do. As a child, it just was the way I had to submit. Be that as that was, My manly role now is not defined by the Oligarchy, being a 'man'. I have chosen to be just Me. No more following one of the many gods.
Note: I do HATE the generalization embodied within the term "Common Sense". Every sense is specific to a person's upbringing and environments; there is not so much anything very or mostly common about it.
Feminism, as I think about it, is a religion for those females that choose not the standard fare religions, all religions steered (by several many means) by the Oligarchy. Probably 99.99999% of all "faithful" do not come close to following the holy scripture of Their choice, however, christianity/cathalosism/mormanism/whatever is all (currently) gynocentric, the non-manly men enabling the feminism (hatred of all males) further.
Always more to say, but I will refrain from doing so... for now.
Please do not apologize in Your videos for the length of time of Your videos. Most of all the time I have yearned for more on the subject of which You were speaking, not ever less. You, from My perspective, are doing well.
I dont think you should give up on women or on sex wich might be part of it- just find a woman that lets you be you, and be careful who you allow into your emotional sphere.Delete
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I'm a trans woman who is forced to work as the male gender, essentially. I've always found MRAs to be a dubious bunch, and I haven't looked into anything much past MGTOW, which I found disappointing since it seemed (about 5-7 years ago maybe) to be more focused on stories of stupid individuals who happen to be female and being a support group for men seeking mail-order brides instead of doing anything positive.
An AC on Slashdot linked me to your blog. This definitely appealed to things I've been thinking for a long time, both as a libertarian and as a person who simply cannot comprehend how on earth an entire culture got duped into believing that feminism had anything to do with gender equality.
(Indeed, to appropriate a line from Star Trek IV, the very name /feminism/ is sexist. Feminism is a womyn-born-womyn only club.)
I found this assertion particularly interesting:
"In fact, if you control for fatherlessness, the race disparity in the US prison system all but vanishes."
Do you have the data to back that up?
Also, have you written anything on the practise of routine infant male genital mutilation? I suffered basically the first 19 years of my life in physical pain without even knowing that my genitals were mutilated. I thought the pain and discomfort I went through every day was a normal part of being a man (and just another thing about being a man I hated). Is there much that any MRA groups you know have to say about it?
At any rate, I'm at a kind of crossroads in life. I've thought that maybe the troubles I've been through are just the fault of "all womyn-born-womyn," collectively and severally. Being employed in IT, I get continually bashed over the head with Ada Lovelace, yet who else should I fault for the situation except the very womyn-born-womyn who /choose/ their own lives and choose not to get into IT careers. Being transgendered I would love to just come out and get my name changed, but I've heard enough from enough feminists to know that when somebody tells me that a woman should have received my job instead of me, proposing that I change my professional identity to a female one isn't the goal of the person accusing me of sexism on the basis of privileging the body part between my legs over the body part between my ears!
I don't know whether it's sufficient to collectively blame all womyn-born-womyn and support initiatives that would seek to make abortion illegal on the basis that if I suffered 19 years of physical pain (and occasionally suffer recurring pain) because I was raped of my right to "my body, my choice," then womyn-born-womyn already have more choices about their bodies by choosing with whom they sleep. At least they're allowed to keep all their body parts.
All I know right now is that I'm angry, want revenge for all I've suffered both as a man with mutilated genitals and as a trans woman who is forced to work as the male gender against her will because transitioning is suicide unless one is independently wealthy and who is forced to constantly endure male bashing and misandry directed at her personally even though she isn't a man, and that's why I decided to see what I got linked on Slashdot was. I was surprised to see something utterly different from MGTOW.
I guess I'll read a bit more. It's refreshing to see an alternative viewpoint to the tired opposites of feminism and "traditional" gender roles.
Oops, should be Star Trek VI, not IV.Delete
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