Monday, 11 May 2015

Hate male.

And no, that isn't a typo in the title. Men are some of my most ardent and vocal opponents, and are often the ones most likely to go out of their way to say mean things to me, rather than just about me.

Female feminists will typically write articles and blog posts, or make videos, trashing me behind my back (*coughSaelPalanicough*), but it's more typically men who will send me emails or PMs, or make videos and then send them to me. Why, it's almost like male and female feminists fall well within traditional gender norms when it comes to aggressive behavior!

Anyway, I don't get many threats (I think most of my opponents know by now that I'm pretty impervious to them), but I do occasionally open my inbox to find something like this (received today), with the subject line "Your anti-feminist views":

...really suck and serve to demonstrate your complete ignorance about women's rights or lack of, throughout history, up to and including now!
 Your ugliness and inability to look feminine is likely your reason for hating women!  You certainly look male, so go ahead and epouse your sick, ignorant views.
D.

"D" is for Don, by the way (as per the name provided in the email meta-data or whatever it's called). So either this is a man, or someone pretending to be a man.

Anyway, I'm not going to pick apart his many erudite, relevant and cogent arguments that don't reek of sexism at all. I just thought it would be good for a laugh to post an example of some of the stuff I find in my inbox every once in a while.

Cheers, all.

75 comments:

  1. "Your ugliness and inability to look feminine ..."

    So of course I had to do a google image search for you and look what came up in the results.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/j7qdMPSj0F4/hqdefault.jpg

    I just had to laugh.

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    1. That is funny, though I do recall using the "I am disappoint" in the past, so maybe that's where it came from?

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  3. So, are men and women different or not, because the Feminists claim that they are the same. Its interesting how you say that men are ready to be mean to you directly in front of you whereas as women do not want to be mean in front of you, only behind your back. What does this mean?

    I was also thinking of men and women as father and mother. Yesterday was the mother's day. Do mother and father have a different role in a child's life, or are mother and father the same?

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    1. I don't know if things are or were like this where you are, but there was a very definite ethic of condemning "snitches" (otherwise known as "tattle-tales") among boys when I was growing up. That behavior was something that was guaranteed to lose you respect among your male peers. What would gain you respect was standing up for yourself--often even if you got your butt kicked.

      Girls, on the other hand, were much more likely to "go tell", and more likely to get some form of adult intervention when they did. The behavior was expected and accepted, even if it was discouraged by adults in terms of girls who did so constantly, or over trivial matters.

      In other words, differences in the expression of aggression and/or conflict resolution between boys and girls was essentially the difference between direct and proxy action.

      Boys were expected by other boys (and girls) to take direct action, and employing a proxy would lose a boy the respect of the group. Girls were entitled and expected to employ (usually adult) proxies to resolve their conflicts, and were much more likely to use said proxies as tools/weapons for bullying.

      In other words, when I was growing up, I would see boy bullies pushing other kids around on the playground, or "talking smack" while getting in their face. I would mostly see girl bullies making up rumors/stories about other kids in order to convince the teacher, parent, or babysitter to punish them. The smug, satisfied look on boy and girl bullies' faces was quite similar--they all knew they had the power to terrorize and torment others. It was only their methods that were different.

      As far as mothers and fathers, yes, the roles are generally quite different (and both very useful).

      Mothers tend to apply more boundaries than fathers, but they aren't very consistent in enforcing them. Fathers tend to apply fewer boundaries, but stick to them better. A dad will more typically encourage a child to leave their comfort zone and try new, sometimes risky things. Mothers will often be the ones yelling, "BE CAREFUL! IF YOU'RE SCARED YOU CAN COME DOWN!" when the kid climbs some treacherous rock wall, while the dad will more likely be yelling, "YOU CAN DO IT! JUST ANOTHER FEW FEET!" Dads engage in more rough and tumble play than moms, and this teaches kids valuable lessons regarding physical boundaries and capabilities, and how to not hurt other people or themselves.

      So yeah, very different, on average, regarding a lot of things.

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    2. Thanks for replying. Good that I came here looking for it. Usually on avfm site, if someone responds, I get a reminder that I have got a response. It could be that many people would miss on your replies because they will not come back looking for it.

      You are right. Girls are more skillful at impressing others and generating sympathy, and fielding proxies that fight for them. Girls are also use secrecy, and deception, and lying to fight their battles. These are potent weapons. I guess men might use these weapons as well when needed.

      More importantly, I feel role of mother and father were gender roles. Similar to male and female gender roles. I am a single father with 50% custody of my children. So when I cook and clean and iron their clothes, I feel I am doing the role of a mother. When I go play with them and pay for their needs, I feel I am playing the role of a father. So, I was asking, in today's world are the roles of mother and father same or different? What does it mean to be a mother? What does it mean to be a father? Or are there no difference between the two any more?

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  4. If the nasty emails become too much, Karen, just let me know and I'll make a run up to Edmonton with another couple bottles of wine for you. :D

    Of course, now there'll probably be a sudden influx of nasty of emails you can't handle and need alcoholic comfort and support. :p

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  5. I do find it interesting that a pro-feminist would actually make nasty, sexist comments about the way you look! I thought feminists were supposed to be against that sort of thing.

    There is another anti-feminist commentator named Jordan Owen who also gets hateful personal attacks against his physical appearance.

    I really don't get it. All they seem to do is shoot themselves in the foot, or should I say feet.

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    1. Hardly the worst. In addition to plenty of stuff insulting women's looks, I've even seen a male feminist say he was going to hunt down and rape a non-feminist woman just so she could see why she needs it. Wish I could find that again now.

      Or this: http://pro-crocodiles-anti-feminism.tumblr.com/post/117489487207/codeofhammurobbie-dear-anti-feminist-females

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    3. Good Lord! Rape a non-feminist woman?! I can't understand why feminists have not been listed as a hate group.

      I will read your link.

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  6. Pft. Screw the haters. I think you're pretty, hopefully you think so as well.

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  7. Pft. Screw the haters. I think you're pretty, hopefully you think so as well.

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  8. I think it's important to respond with an equivalent level of sophistication to said mobisms.

    Subject:My dearest dissenter

    Body: I've compiled a detailed video response to your criticisms and linked below.

    https://youtu.be/oavMtUWDBTM

    I do so appreciate your feedback!
    -Kare Bear

    (Only feed trolls raspberries and Clorox. Anything else and you run into a Gremlins sort of scenario.)

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  9. I find, the response I get to bringing up anything i feel is a concern for men (even if it is entirely about men and not something that gets framed as men v. women or men against women) is immediate dismissal with fear, anger, ridicule or a diversion to something about women. It happens lightning fast, often before i can finish a thought. I get the some response from men and women, except the fear response, which comes from men who have very sensitive radar for taboo gender subjects. The men are quicker to counter, usually with something unrelated or that doesn't address what i have said, or to twist what I have said to mean I hate women. Women are quicker to attack, name-call, make verbal attacks on my masculinity and/or virility, or the one two punch of accusing me of misogyny then declaring I don't get to have an opinion or valid observation because privilege/maleness--often that I am incapable.

    The reaction is the same, except more virulent if i question feminist discourse or feminist narratives. Often men will police this more stridently than women.

    Most of the time, I have learned that opening my mouth is going to cost me social capital and have negative effects on my psyche and so I don't. But I have begun to become deeply saddened at how opposed men are to think about themselves or care about themselves.

    Men and women have in common that they both are often quick to anger and shut down listening, and both, once they feel the rules of gender politics have been crossed dehumanise the person who crossed and go for the kill by attacking gender identity--the femininity or beauty of the speaker, the masculinity or prowess of the speaker. I have many times been characterized as impotent, 'can't get a woman', 'live in my mother's basement', scared of women, hate women, frustrated because i am a loser, no woman will ever want me because i am a monster, not a real man, jealous of other men--etc.etc.

    And I see the same attack on women--you are ugly, can't get a man, must be a terrible mother, must not be able to have children.

    Obviously not everyone responds like this, and the response gets more elevated and escalated the further out on the spectrum you go with men or women being angry and/or involved in gender issues. But the trend at one degree or another is fairly normal.

    These kinds of responses can be generated by anything--talking about the value of fatherhood, wanting more resources for men who have been abused or sexually assaulted, asking to see evidence of a feminist claim, offering evidence about anything. The responses are the same on and off the internet, from strangers, acquaintances or lifelong friends.

    What astonishes me is the sense of justification and righteousness and the complete lack of care at dismissing and dehumanizing people, raging cruelly, attacking. The bizarre contradiction of a person feeling like they are a moral person and that they are concerned with social justice and discrimination but willling to use, as an everyday go-to tactic the worst behaviours ranging from disinclusion to generalized hate, to personalized hate all the way on up to death threats or threats of maiming or rape. I am male and I have had any number of expressions of hope that I would be sexually assaulted, often when my topic is men who have been sexually assaulted--something that I experienced both as a child and an adult and was only stupid enough to bring into that sort of discussion once, thinking to build a bridge of empathy and common experience and receiving the opposite--hate, cheering, wishes that I get "more of what I deserve". Utter madness that is almost impossible to reconcile with.
    ...cont'd in next comment, my comment was too long. . .

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    1. A very sympathetic comment (or half of one, I know this is just the first half). What you are up against, sadly, is the hard-wiring of the vast majority of human brains, their instinctual understanding of the roles and identity factors that were evolutionarily advantageous and which therefore inform their sense of what is acceptable - that is, what makes them feel secure. An assault upon someone's primal boundaries, however inadvertent or however necessary, will earn an antagonistic response. Sometimes I rather sadly wonder if it's even possible for the majority to move past this thinking. I used to make the mistake of engaging with people on the level of ethical principle or reason, which merely led to my frustration and anger when they were inconsistent or hypocritical, wilfully blind or aggressive. I had to learn that in order to reach people you must learn to comprehend their preconscious motives and natures, and then work on "disarming" their instinctive responses without triggering a primal reaction. Ethics and reason, sadly, both mean little to nothing in terms of getting through to someone. Only understanding, and a mutual journey to confront their underlying motives and desires, can provoke the possibility of change, as they learn to channel their natural drives into other, more satisfying possibilities, or to resist what instinctively feels right in favour of a more nuanced awareness.

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  10. I reached a point where i was very hateful--I had just had too many experiences whether with gender activism, family of origin, partners, divorce/custody situations, the constant stream of hate and hypocrisy in the media. I'm still trying to recover from it. The closest I got to returning the hate, was to rage that I don't care about women's issues or women's experiences anymore, that I had spent my whole life doing that; but inside, inside, I had become exactly the same--livid aggressive hate and dehumanizing beliefs.

    I'm in counselling for a great many reasons, but one of them is specifically to get past this feeling of hate and injustice and be more able to participate in life. To learn to treat each individual and occasion as a separate incident and not let everything inside bleed together into one blanket generalization about men and women and about the issues we face. It feels like an impossible task. It feels like it requires blinders to so much of what goes on around me that I can't cope well with anymore. There is a part of me that sympathizes deeply with anyone's troubles, and with the real struggles men and women face. That part of me so badly wishes there was some community that works together and can remember that we are a community, and interdependent.

    I feel like I am failing though. I also feel I might have made very little progress at all, except for one of my counsellors, just a bizarre and unlikely providence, who is culturally very much of "my tribe"(when I had one) and is also a very outspoken feminist activist. When I met her, inside, I all I could think was "great, there never seems to be any bottom"(I was in a long term rehab for homeless men who were victims of trauma and addiction). It was so absurd it reminded me of the Sartre play about hell. But, she turned out to not be hateful and willing to have dialogues where each of us actively listened to each other's experience. I can't even describe how unreal it seemed. For the first time in many years, I got a glimpse of aspects of myself deep inside that were pretty dead, and felt a desire to let go of being that angry and hateful, and to feel pain and shame at losing my humanity.

    It is so hard to trying to hang onto that and fan it, build on it, back in an insensible and hateful world. I've read your work on and off for a long time. I had stopped because I simply didn't have the mental balance or emotional resilience to cope--it was more necessary for me to pull a protective blanket over my head. But I feel I am fighting a losing battle, and slowly falling back into an angry rigid mindset.

    Sorry this has been such a long meandering comment. I've had interruptions in my professional support--routine things, vacations, staff shortages and sick time, but enough of them that I realise I've been feeling cut off and it is giving me verbal diarrhea.

    I'm sorry you experience so much hate mail/speech/communication. Nobody deserves that, and especially not someone who does the work you do, and maybe most frustratingly of all, not from the very people you speak on behalf of. Thank you for continuing despite it. You have often been a beacon of hope for me, as well as a model for lucid, clear argument. It is not really my place to say, but I feel that this mission you are on takes its toll on you too, on your humanity and well-being. You often seem angrier than you once did, willing to bite back. I'm not suggesting that you should somehow be above it, I am observing sympathetically that you appear to be incurring a real and detrimental cost in return for your commitment. I'm sorry that life is like that, and thank you for what you do.

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  11. male feminists are the worst misogynists. they are usually atoning for their past ways.

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    1. I wouldn't want to make either of those generalizations. I can imagine being very swayed by the desire to be in the fold, and not have hateful fingers pointing at them. There is a pleasure and both real and false sense of security being among whatever is deemed righteous. I have felt that pull wanting to be the one who has allies who affirm me for my right thinking and get to be part of the group that gangs up on the voice of dissent. instead of the other way around. and that's how it normally is for me. I believe strongly in social justice, and i'm pretty lefty so those are the social waters I swim in, on and off the internet, but my views on many things can sometimes be nuanced in a way where i suddenly learn just how quick people will turn on me, and then obviously, I have some quite contrary thoughts and feelings about gender issues and it is often a hanging offense. It's tempting not to be that guy--the stand alone in a wave of dopamine frenzied consensus with generations of anger and confirmation bias fuelling it.

      Also, I have felt very hateful of women, with unfair broadstrokes for years now--I just snapped and all my reasonableness, patience and compassion were gone. I am one of those male feminists who is twisted up with misogyny. I don't want to be him, and when I see someone like that, I don't want to pretend one arrives at that place in some easily condemned black and white story. I'm not really in the position to feel holier myself by pointing a finger at that kind of guy even though it feels really gratifying to do it.

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  13. Most horrible feminists seem to be men:
    Mark Potok
    Arthur Goldwag
    Arthur Chu
    Adam Serwer
    Jeff Sharlet
    Jackson Katz
    Michael Kimmel
    McIntosh
    Manboobs
    Laci Green
    Anita Sarkeesian
    Laurie Penny
    Lena Dunham
    Valenti

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  14. Must add a few:

    Brian Clyne
    Charles Clymer
    James Fell
    Horrible Feminist Prof ala Futrelle that slips my mind
    Meaghan Murphy

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  15. I am not surprised at all that you get the worst detractors from the apparently wrong gender. In my country (Colombia) the worst "machistas" (male chauvinists) are usually women. For example, a woman who got pregnant at 12 or 13 and fought almost all her life to provide for and educate her kid was as proud as she could be of her son. When the kid was about 25 she was proud as hell that he had bedded every woman worth bedding in the neighborhood.

    Almost every time you have a hard truth to deliver to one gender your worst detractor will be in the gender you did not expect. Way too many women slut-shame the rape victim who was wearing a short skirt. And far too many men defend the woman that accuses a man of sexual misconduct before even trying to find the facts.

    This is, as you clearly have explained, not a tribal conduct in which men defend men and women defend women. It is a much more complex dynamic in which both genders take impulsive, visceral decisions, to the detriment of everyone.

    It seems as if men have to be protective of women, whether right or wrong. If we are left to go as far we want, we will take each girl and woman and safely put them in neat little boxes, smothering them to death, just like in Saudi Arabia.

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    1. Nice to find a fellow Colombian here :)
      And I obviously agree with you. Our country is overwhelmingly overran of this chauvinistic type of woman that is the nothing else than the manifestation of gynocentrism at its finest; much like in Karen's opponents case, men are merely the foot soldiers sent to defend the "honor" of the fair maidens who sit at the top. And said foot soldiers will battle rabidly and viciously to restore the status quo in which they remain the gullible sycophants waiting by the table for some scraps (sex) to fall to the floor.

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    2. "[M]en have to be protective of women, whether right or wrong."
      Almost that very line is present in Bob Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe."
      "Someone who will fight for you whether you are right or wrong,"
      In fact, that song shows very well the unrealistic and narcissistic trap women can fall into if they are not trained to fight their nature as men are.

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  16. OMG you should totally open up a Patreon to get donations to help you cope with the ordeal. Then go to mainstream media and explain how women are terribly bullied and victimized by evil white men. That would be an empowering career that would make you so much happier and useful. Right?
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    Wuv you Karen. Thanks for your service to truth and people, regardless of sex, age and race. And money. And whatever. I'm really happy you're there. You're doing an awesomely good job.
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  18. In the legal community, it's been known for generations that male jurors are more likely to convict an accused rapist. Attorneys conduct *voir dire* with this in mind.

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  19. I've come to see Marxism and its sects to be closer to the right than to the left so this kind of thing doesn't surprise me coming from China. The idea that it was anything like American style liberalism is downright bizarre. I'm coming to think that recent developments in sociology also place it in that neighborhood as well. I don't think it has escaped its ideological origins and I'm not surprised to see stuff coming from it that isn't far removed from thinking in the time of Comte.

    "Yellowed pearls" Oh, brother. I'm old enough so that, officially at least, that would have been called "feudal thinking" in China. People aren't objects and just about every day I see that considering people as objects to be the fundamental problem facing those of us who struggle for rights. No ideology that sees people as objects will long avoid the consequences of people taking that position as an opportunity to treat people like objects.

    GE 3S

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  20. Karen, when they made you, they broke the mould! Anyway, I know how you feel about cutting of baby boys, so you may find the following mildly amusing. Ca. 20 years ago (before popularity of internet) I would write articles and give interviews and pass out literature, etc. advising (strongly!) against this vile thing euphemistically named "circumcision". It's a denaturing of the male in reality and should be called out as such; "circumcision" OTOH is a medical procedure that might be done out of true necessity, or by choice of an adult.

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  21. Is that you:

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    I get challenging established norms, and I'm a bit of an anarchist, but I think I'm a bit more sensitive than you. The freedom to commit evil does not justify it. For example, I don't believe women should be objectified in the media, because I think it hurts them, and outright porn even hurts men. If you call that shaming, then I am proud to shame. I shame evil all day.

    I'm also perplexed at how a short-haired girl doesn't consider herself a feminist. I just think you're a different kind of feminist. I don't think a girl can have an opinion without being some kind of feminist (to differentiate her from the more traditional submissive girls). The semantics.

    Fuck you right in the pussy. I mean, fuck her right in the pussy. Am I doing it right?

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    1. agalltyr, your level of analysis is seriously at extrapolating politics from length of hair? my hair is pretty short and I am male, perhaps i am conservative?

      Using people's sexuality is not the same as objectiffying.

      There is nothing inherently evil or damaging about pornography for the actors or the consumer. Men and women both make and both consume pornography to enhance their own sexuality, it's only a crime in that old goatherders religion.

      I'm also not sure how submissive "traditional" girls are--whatever that means. Women tend to rule their households and wield enormous power as the gatekeeper of sex, and the owner of the children. I don't believe women to be simple minded and unaware of this.

      But at least you can tell the author apart from another human being, you have that, hang on to it.

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